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Career Roadblocks and Developing a High Spec Sci-fi Feature, with Aurora Fearnley

SUMMARY:

We spoke to Aurora Fearnley, a Professional Lift-Off Network Member, previous Lift-Off winner, and longtime friend. In this free-flowing conversation, we catch up with Aurora and reflect together on her career so far, the obstacles she has faced and how she is planning to tackle them in the future.

WE COVER:

1. Patterns that get in the way.

2. What everyone is doing, is not necessarily the right thing to do.

3. The transition from traditional drama to making a high spec sci-fi short and the challenges involved.

4. The new considerations in producing/directing a high spec sci-fi

5. Roadblocks

6. Strategies for moving forward

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Murmur (short)

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James James joined him hi guys I make a

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grand entrance sorry I sent you the

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wrong link I've sent you the wrong link

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Jane sorry my room an empty room and the

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internet was really freaky I was like oh

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you're breaking up James

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it's annoying you love the internet

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things like this yeah it's got so much

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promise but then there's lights

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it doesn't quite work it's it's not as

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good as being in a room for real but why

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is James Bond James Bradley are you

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going to come miss you it's final no

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blood yeah what's going on I'm costing

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it whether or not I'm gonna go to go

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away instead mm because the same

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influence all people I need to meet or

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go around there's a lot less people

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there is this for your next so the

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future I kinda like to be going to can

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and pitching the projects I have and

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having that as a deadline mmm

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but it's it's actually if I don't have

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everything ready to go it's a bit of an

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expense that yeah yeah kind of know a

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lot of the people now I don't know if

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meet anything can looking nice walking

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around is really gonna any money it's

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nice it's nice to go yeah peep serene

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drink wine really careful about what my

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focuses this year cuz oh yeah it's high

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time gets split isn't it there's habits

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as well there's things I habitually dude

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I think of progressing for my career and

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I'm much looking at the wall and going

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okay

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just really examine what's going to get

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you where you want to go this year

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rather than yeah competed you doing the

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same things yeah exactly exactly that's

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it this is a big thing knowing oh there

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is Steve Jobs Ashton Kutcher Wow are you

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frozen again what's wrong with James

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instead anyway we'll just talk and then

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James can make the drop in an hour yeah

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so what's um what's what's the patterns

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that you've noticed that like stop you

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stop I think when I got a mentor through

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about four years ago as a guy called

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Frank Rodham and he'd direct clips

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Quadrophenia and he had this empire

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built on some really amazing cooking

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show master chef oh yeah so he's the

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inventor and and a millionaire so you

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know entrepreneur and filmmaker and he

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kind of said to me it's like I just

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think that you are following a

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trajectory that you believe is going to

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get you to your future film by making

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friends with you know film for BBC BFI

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creative England and he said man that's

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the route that we all think he's gonna

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guess is there you mean his advice to me

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was you need to take a massive leap

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that's nothing to do with the steps of

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what we believe is the right way to get

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a phone made yeah yeah yeah that's

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really interesting because because it's

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a victory it's a big learning curve for

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us as well really it's like what what

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everybody thinks is the right thing to

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do isn't that's all the right thing to

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do big and it's kind of like a myth it's

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like a collective myth so everybody

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everybody hears about the famous like

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rags to riches stories of a director

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that's never directed anything like I do

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I mean like Gareth Edwards who goes from

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zero to a suet to a hundred in in second

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but it doesn't it doesn't exist like

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that it does on some level but because

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people latched on to those stories and

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repeat them people think that yeah

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that's the way to go but it's not

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you know Ben Wheatley what did he make

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down terrorists for supposedly 5000

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pounds yeah but then the idea that those

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films that his ideas his films have

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never had been commissioned through a

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funding body but he made a lot of money

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and I think actually the only thing that

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this business response to his profit

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this is cash yeah unfortunately yeah

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where is he anyone make an arthouse film

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that then you know the the BFI are

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really happy to support an auto yeah and

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then the funds exist because of like the

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social the the social work and and to

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support different filmmakers in

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different areas but they're kind of like

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that they're isolated incidents right

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there then wow I was in Leeds and a

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Manchester for you know 20 odd years and

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I never want any of the funder got one

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plots of funding to make a short two

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thousand pounds my first ever short film

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native England it was before creative

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England it was really great joy my agent

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and that was when the UK film Council

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existed and then it kind of dissolved

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and I thought gosh how am I going to do

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I've got three years before the BFI to

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Cobra and creative England kind of came

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into existence

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looking at competitions so I got a film

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made from Nokia by pitching to them and

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I found enter the pitch I went back to

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my University and found a competition of

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fund money for them for alumni but when

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I'm thinking about future films I've

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I've never really been funded by

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Creative England from London and all the

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BFI for anything so I there's no way I

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find myself going to those doors looking

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for you know 300 yeah yeah exactly

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no way I don't know yeah so once I made

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from the north so I was a bit silly I

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moved down to London thinking that I

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could get an opportunity here which is

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great but then there's actually more

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money if I've stayed yeah yeah

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no honey that way yeah so what sir

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what's the what's the what's the feature

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idea what's their venture well I'd like

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to say there's one but I've got to

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bubbling away at the moment what was

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that like a sci-fi thriller which I've

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been working with a producer in

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Sheffield called Jude Gold ray and

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future's called tipping points and it's

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about a 50 year old scientist who's in

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the northern regions and she's found a

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connection between Northern Lights and

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cognitive function and then she has a

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younger scientist who turns up who's

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kind of a little bit disruptive to her

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processes about their kind of

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mentor-mentee relationship

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mm-hmm and then off the back of the

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pulsar then did you want to say what is

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that where you want to go into the

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sci-fi I really like sci-fi and I really

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enjoyed my king of science fiction I

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love drama too I mean I don't see any

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reason why they have to be set for it oh

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yeah absolutely

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I really need to be in this ticket I

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don't need to be together because that's

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the that's what creates good sci-fi

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classic sci-fi the mysterious man miss

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me the mysterious black silhouette is

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talking probably bad to keep the video

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up if we have a nice yep go through all

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the definition settings and nothing was

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working so I don't know why it's been

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annoying but it is my upload and

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download speed seems to be working but

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there we go no problem doesn't matter I

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mean I can hear everything which we're

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talking now it's all good yeah we're

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rocking and rolling what was it like

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making a sci-fi that thanks thanks for

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pulsar by the way thank you okay okay

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total albatross to be honest that's

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really difficult because the idea what

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we think you're gonna do I there's so

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many things said about making a film

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like that one is my expectation was far

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greater than what I could ever have made

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on that budget so I was always in defeat

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because the ambition was so much bigger

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than I could have ever made

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so because of CGI although to be honest

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to be honest

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me that the things that I found hardest

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was what we could physically make like

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the sets the what was hard what was

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there and I didn't have control over

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that because I'm not the producer so I

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had grand ambitions if I wanted

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everything to look and and that wasn't

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delivered in the way that I was

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expecting it to be so that was that was

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tough because it didn't look from the

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outset at all like the phone when I'd

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imagine it would constantly keep

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readjusting what this film is going to

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be based on that learning about how hard

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it is to do post-production on the

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sci-fi with really very little money

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that was a memory experience hasn't put

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me off which i think is a bit crazy I

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think I feel that not to learn something

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that's useful did pilot did pieman posts

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do it or did they just help help you out

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well how did that work so pine woods

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pine woods involvement or really with

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the pitch in terms of housing then when

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they do all of their competition stuff

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they're not really involved with the

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post-production I thought finally post

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helps you for some reason no the

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post-production companies were halo and

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on-site and neither of them did the

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special effects they just did the grave

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in the sound design so hello did sound

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design and unsighted finishing and grade

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and I guess the the visual effects think

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this is where it's really tricky what

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you would normally do is you would

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budget and look at your whole production

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and you would get different houses to

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pitch on elements of your story and they

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would do I don't know all of the

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rotoscoping or they do the same or the

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exterior ship or all of them computer

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heads-up displays whereas what I did I

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went to very very experienced visual

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effects supervisor called paddy Eason

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who's got like a 50-50 credit list on

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IMDB and he advised me to find somebody

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who was a top top composite - who wanted

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to take a step into be effect

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supervising that's five on Abigail's

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goalie and she was working at method and

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working on like fantastic beasts and

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Wonder Woman she's really busy because

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she wanted that step up and she said

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I've got

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the contacts to utilize here to send out

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separate jobs to separate people oh okay

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rather than do it in-house yeah Wow

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so this is yeah so because we might if

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these conversations if they're if

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they're useful and interesting we might

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release them on the platform for the

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members so I'm sure as well as oh hang

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on a minute can you hear me yeah

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everything's gone blind

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oh my camera's been turned off there we

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go let me turn it back on yes probably

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God okay perfect

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I'm there weird weird so there's lots of

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stuff there's lots of stuff we just

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talked about that lots of people would

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be not would it we got completely over

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their heads so can we slow down just a

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little bit and go back to the back to

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the beginning of like what so yeah so

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what's the process what do you have to

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think of as a director on set what's the

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process how does your work in process

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change when you're working on something

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that's going to have so much CGI aspects

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added to it later on in post what's your

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what how does your working press this

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change yeah okay so making pulse I was a

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learning experience because everything

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I've made up to this point was pretty

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much a drama or it was a thriller or it

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didn't have any of those visual effects

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elements and it was quite daunting to

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know that I had pitched and one of

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projects that I was going to have to do

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that had exterior CGI shots had

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interacted a visual effects and

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green-screen so there's a possible

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element of visual effects in this apart

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from a robot I think the first thing I

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had to come to come up to face with was

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what objects inside of the space would

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actors be interacting with and how was I

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going to block scenes where I wouldn't

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know that they would be a green screen

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or they'd be something put in afterwards

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and so that's when I started doing

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rehearsals with the actors well actually

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this is before I

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asked I did rehearsals with people who

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were friends of mine as actors where I

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maxed out the actual space of the set we

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were going to have with the production

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designer Alison Murtagh refer and we

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started to talk about where we could

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place things in the room that would be

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like the interactive central hub

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computer every time an actor would pass

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that you know you're adding thousands of

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pounds of expense because you have to

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write to scope around them because if

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it's not a green-screen

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then it's expensive absolutely yeah and

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also that would also in limit actors

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performance on set so this was something

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we really looked at was where we're

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going to place things and how much is

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that going to lock down behavior for our

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actors that was that was number one

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secondly was how to get interesting

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reactions on a green screen working

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talking system lithography he'd worked

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like that before and what tricks and

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things we could do to keep keep that

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atmosphere and set really Lively what

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else did we have to do oh just talking a

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lot to visual effects supervisors about

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what it was like what things you'd have

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to incorporate hammer times you'd have

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to shoot a clean plate or what would

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need to be in backdrop things like that

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things I hadn't considered I was very

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lucky that there's a silent night away

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that's okay I was very lucky that there

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was a course in Ireland called the

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effect Scripture screen that took me on

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for I think a week and June and then a

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week in August and I got to speak to

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people who are working on Game of

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Thrones and melancholy air from the

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beginning of when you write script all

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the way up to in your post-production on

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what you have to think about the VFX

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which is more than more time than we've

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got now I think but it it might get

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hundred percent I gave my unfinished

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script or VFX supervisor and I asked

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them to tell me not as like a line

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producer not to cost it but to fly me

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everything they would be looking at and

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saying this is an affair expensive yeah

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well not money but what if you think

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about what's what what are they thinking

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about as their job that I've not thought

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about this not my job and I wouldn't be

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able to consider it and how many things

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have I written that they would be

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predominantly imagining the beard the

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effect shot or I hadn't believed I could

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do that I don't know the limitations yet

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and they'd say well actually that's

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really easy what you

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written there we can do that might been

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considered is hard like them walking in

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front of the central hub yeah yeah yeah

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fascinating because um as a skill set I

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guess I mean coming back to what you're

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saying at the beginning your your mentor

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who suggested that you have an idea

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about what's going to bring bring you

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where you want to be but actually the

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reality might be quite different as a

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skillset I imagine like you've just

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armed yourself with a super valuable

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weapon like cannot I mean they're direct

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do being able to direct a short but to

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this high standards and it really is a

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high high standard of like very

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technical things and as you said you

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brought in in I mean I don't even know

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the technical phrases the three of the

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three different thing the green screen

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the layout and exterior CGI and they

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what was the other one okay

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exterior CGI you've got rotoscoping

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approaches line you know green screen so

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if and then you'd also have so you've

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got visual effects and SFX we had things

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burning out yeah yes which was you know

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we actually drowned a Hollywood actor

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for a little bit in fields like slime

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substance so it's just terrifying that

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was the last shot on the last day and he

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was gonna be submerged in liquid not

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just thoughts myself oh this can't go

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wrong he's really famous so what's next

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Aurora what we what are you what are you

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looking at doing next the ideal thing to

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do next would be to direct some

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television that's in a similar vein so

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that would be I don't know supernatural

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thriller science fiction based drama

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television of high building I thought

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maybe I'd love to do some Doctor Who but

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I don't know if the BBC

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take you at that level and a high-end

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show if you haven't done something with

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them yeah yeah well I think you've got a

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very good all-in card yeah you hope so

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you hope so yeah well yeah definitely I

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mean the thing is it's just it's it's

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only like maybe two or three people that

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have to decide whether or not you you

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come in and pitch for a script and those

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those two or three people just need to

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see your work need to know that it's you

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need to meet you and and I guess it's

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just trying to figure out who those

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people are and and making sure that they

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that they actually get to see they

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actually get to see that you are you are

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a seasoned filmmaker you have made a

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shedload of shorts and you are and you

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are definitely you are definitely tapped

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into the science-fiction workflow so

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that's here's what and the SFX and and

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an FX workflow VFX workflow and stuff

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but also beyond that you've got you've

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got a really good because like going

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from something like murmur and what's

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the name of the other one that we

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screamed Oh life on the line yeah going

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from those those produced the

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progression of like the drama and your

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acting background and your ability to

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handle like like strong narrative and

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truth as well believable performances

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and all of that and then mixed with I

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think it's very clever moves then to

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make pulsar because it kind of it's just

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a it's an incredibly powerful skill set

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right I think anyway you know I had to

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talk with one of my producers who's

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who's doing tipping point with me and I

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think one of the things people find

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really difficult is I'm not saying

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there's a narrow mindedness but we like

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to know what everybody is as an actor it

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would like to know your brand quite

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quickly and they go they would do that

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kind of work and so although making pull

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cells been really good and strong I

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think where people look at it against

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other pieces of work they go well I do

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not to do with her because this is

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completely different we like

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think of it as a skillset we go or look

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how much range you have but one of the

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things you understand there's an actor

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people don't like you to come on and

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show 10 accents and show your range

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solve a problem in the moment so I think

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what Posner will do is hopefully is

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maybe it's the right time for female

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directors doing sci-fi yeah to get off

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and I hope that's true but I also have

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10 years of good to solid drama and sort

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of drive exactly that that might open a

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door that I'm not expecting at another

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time yeah but maybe maybe the good solid

460
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drama will inform a like your next

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sci-fi and if it's a feature sci-fi and

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then that suddenly suddenly Disney

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ringing you up to direct Star Wars and

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will be saying like you know I feel like

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Dorothy do you have any agents at the

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moment at all so having a directing

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writing agent which is Berlin Associates

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yes

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Julia Wyatt I had an acting agent who I

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left last year he kept asking me to

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direct him and yeah he's also an actor

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okay Wow so I found that a slight

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conflict of interest anyway yeah and

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then he was asking me to do things that

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kind of steps into my other agencies

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line and I just said you know what this

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is this is a bit blurry for me so I left

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him okay have you have you have you

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heard of United agents you obviously

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know you know you know agents right yeah

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okay so there's that there's a director

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that works for United agents called

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Wayne yet I say he works there he's he's

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present represented by United agents and

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he's he's not done much but he has done

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Doctor Who and you did he did resolutely

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didn't resolute or ever whatever it's

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called yes so his his agent is Camile

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MIT McCurry he met Camille mercury and

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his assistant is Nick Hitchcock so the

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Camille's McCurry's assistant is Nick

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hedgecock I don't see I don't see why

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you can't try and get Anna

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to speak to both of those people I do

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not know but they're made made Nick and

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just say like you know you we know that

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you've got the connection with Doctor

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Who because of Wayne and I'd be very

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very interested to show you what I can

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do

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yeah I know that it's a difficult one

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because having been an actor myself and

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you've been an actor as well the whole

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approaching agent thing seems a little

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bit seems a little bit like a a Mission

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Impossible but you never really know

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with with something that's so high so

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highly produced like pulsar the amount

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of work that you've got in your back in

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your back burner there is a potential

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here that you could you could maybe get

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a meeting with them with the look to get

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a meeting to do directing on Doctor Who

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maybe I would agree what do you feel

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about well I know that well the

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interesting thing is Julia who's my

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current agent she worked at the BBC for

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seven years

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script script development consultancy

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she's probably better placed to get me a

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job at the BBC then most people she's

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kinda gonna be reached out so she they

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she put me forward for directing the new

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series of humans when it happened over

525
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in China they they bought it and sold

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her over so think Singapore and

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everybody keeps telling me so I've got

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banks I'd come to me muñeca come to me

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Focus Features they've all seen it they

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love it but they support ah sorry yeah

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they they all came to the screening that

532
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did last year and they've met for coffee

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and everyone's very excited about it

534
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:45,720
they like it but they can't put me on

535
00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:48,509
their TV shows because I've got nothing

536
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:51,090
in between and the thing about some

537
00:23:48,509 --> 00:23:53,009
thing about sci-fi at that level is a TV

538
00:23:51,090 --> 00:23:55,649
aside for a TV show it is so expensive

539
00:23:53,009 --> 00:23:58,440
I'm so I'm sorry it's such a risk for

540
00:23:55,649 --> 00:24:00,419
them and it's not my doing the work it's

541
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:04,860
just I have no I have no stepping stone

542
00:24:00,419 --> 00:24:07,080
so I am my co-director pal and business

543
00:24:04,860 --> 00:24:08,730
partner Jamie he got an Oscar nominated

544
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,059
for a short he did for five years ago

545
00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:13,769
called shock and he signed to caseros

546
00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:16,919
who I think and he just turned down

547
00:24:13,769 --> 00:24:19,110
doctors and Holby and all of that for

548
00:24:16,919 --> 00:24:20,669
ages and eventually managed to get his

549
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:23,009
first gig was the last

550
00:24:20,669 --> 00:24:25,799
kingdom and it was a it was a real throw

551
00:24:23,009 --> 00:24:27,210
you take on that job but he emailed out

552
00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,460
to great great episodes and now he's

553
00:24:27,210 --> 00:24:31,440
doing Netflix shows who's doing the

554
00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:32,759
innocence and endeavor and you know he's

555
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,609
working at a really high level but he

556
00:24:32,759 --> 00:24:37,980
said what's really difficult is who even

557
00:24:35,609 --> 00:24:39,539
with an Oscar nomination your work

558
00:24:37,980 --> 00:24:43,230
you're walking into these into these

559
00:24:39,539 --> 00:24:44,909
rooms into these meetings about actually

560
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:46,590
the Oscar nomination gets into the room

561
00:24:44,909 --> 00:24:48,989
for meetings for me they see the work

562
00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:51,149
and they go great well let's just see

563
00:24:48,989 --> 00:24:53,519
what happens next because it's actually

564
00:24:51,149 --> 00:24:54,859
enough for them you have a 60-minute

565
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:57,539
episode of Tully

566
00:24:54,859 --> 00:25:00,210
unfortunately so I've got to just keep

567
00:24:57,539 --> 00:25:01,859
playing away at developing a feature off

568
00:25:00,210 --> 00:25:04,590
the back of pulsar and hoping that I can

569
00:25:01,859 --> 00:25:05,519
get some drama on TV because nobody is

570
00:25:04,590 --> 00:25:07,889
willing to take that risk

571
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:10,499
I've had the meeting I'm just not

572
00:25:07,889 --> 00:25:11,759
getting you to pitch and I'm not sure if

573
00:25:10,499 --> 00:25:14,759
it is the agent I'm not sure if it's

574
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:16,799
just a risk how much how much work are

575
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:19,200
you getting put up for as your agent

576
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:21,929
told you how how much sort of stuff

577
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,789
you're being you're being sent in for

578
00:25:21,929 --> 00:25:32,059
you are you getting sent treatments to

579
00:25:23,789 --> 00:25:36,629
create packages alright never know yeah

580
00:25:32,059 --> 00:25:38,279
we should be yeah well that's the hard

581
00:25:36,629 --> 00:25:39,899
one isn't it it's like well this is the

582
00:25:38,279 --> 00:25:41,879
question actors come to which is oh I

583
00:25:39,899 --> 00:25:43,440
should be getting in the room which is

584
00:25:41,879 --> 00:25:46,320
the same for acting as directing and you

585
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:49,830
go is it the package is it you or is it

586
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,239
the agent and it's really hard to you

587
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:53,009
kind of always work backwards and go

588
00:25:51,239 --> 00:25:54,450
well it's easy to say it's the agent but

589
00:25:53,009 --> 00:25:58,559
what if it's not what if it's something

590
00:25:54,450 --> 00:26:01,169
else I yeah

591
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:02,609
gone bad carry on I think like you're

592
00:26:01,169 --> 00:26:04,950
not in control of stuff you're not in

593
00:26:02,609 --> 00:26:06,899
control of like you know control of so

594
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:09,470
what are you in control of you're in

595
00:26:06,899 --> 00:26:12,989
control of making you next thing yes

596
00:26:09,470 --> 00:26:14,639
that's gotta be the focus surely well

597
00:26:12,989 --> 00:26:20,659
that's that's what I'm doing as I'm just

598
00:26:14,639 --> 00:26:20,659
right yeah running out of money can't

599
00:26:20,809 --> 00:26:25,619
live off I mean I put four years of my

600
00:26:23,549 --> 00:26:29,549
own money into making that film and it

601
00:26:25,619 --> 00:26:31,470
doesn't pay back so yeah yeah and I made

602
00:26:29,549 --> 00:26:33,869
three more shorts in the same time that

603
00:26:31,470 --> 00:26:34,320
that honors in in post which is again

604
00:26:33,869 --> 00:26:37,980
more

605
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:39,929
a drain of money and so I look at it and

606
00:26:37,980 --> 00:26:41,580
I go I can't make another short I'd

607
00:26:39,929 --> 00:26:43,529
really really just want to do like some

608
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:46,289
TV I don't care what it is now I just

609
00:26:43,529 --> 00:26:48,480
need to be directing for money I'm a

610
00:26:46,289 --> 00:26:51,029
tree I'm getting paid to do my job and

611
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:55,080
therefore I can get the features out

612
00:26:51,029 --> 00:26:56,190
there but I mean I'm not sure I'm not

613
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,049
sure the answer is I'm going to put

614
00:26:56,190 --> 00:27:01,679
pulsar on Amazon I think in the next

615
00:26:58,049 --> 00:27:03,389
couple of months and then just do a big

616
00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:05,460
push out to all the main production

617
00:27:03,389 --> 00:27:07,620
company so I like and just ask for

618
00:27:05,460 --> 00:27:09,149
generals and get a new show real cut and

619
00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:11,340
that was my like next three-month plan

620
00:27:09,149 --> 00:27:13,019
and if at the end I'll get to the summer

621
00:27:11,340 --> 00:27:14,399
I'm not getting according four generals

622
00:27:13,019 --> 00:27:16,409
if I'm not getting anywhere and I've

623
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:17,399
done that myself which is kind of like

624
00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:19,049
when you're an actor and you get new

625
00:27:17,399 --> 00:27:20,909
headshots in a new show well and you

626
00:27:19,049 --> 00:27:22,230
start getting cream you go hey you know

627
00:27:20,909 --> 00:27:24,240
what there's nothing more I can do here

628
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:26,879
this means that the door the gatekeepers

629
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,919
are not listening to my agent yeah

630
00:27:26,879 --> 00:27:30,389
so I'm kind of working backwards and I

631
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:32,909
go right well what can I do what big

632
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:34,230
push can I do and if I do all that work

633
00:27:32,909 --> 00:27:35,879
and by the summer I'm just not getting

634
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:36,710
in then and maybe it is time to look for

635
00:27:35,879 --> 00:27:46,769
someone else

636
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:54,019
yeah what do you think guys yeah yeah go

637
00:27:46,769 --> 00:27:57,120
for it I feel your pain I think for the

638
00:27:54,019 --> 00:28:00,919
from what I've seen the first thing is

639
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:03,870
to is to get paid and as you saying you

640
00:28:00,919 --> 00:28:06,740
you're struggling getting TV but perhaps

641
00:28:03,870 --> 00:28:08,940
perhaps you can get paid through your

642
00:28:06,740 --> 00:28:13,529
producing your first feature if you can

643
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:15,330
find the right people to to work with

644
00:28:13,529 --> 00:28:22,860
the right idea the right script the

645
00:28:15,330 --> 00:28:24,240
right thing because I mean how much do

646
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:27,450
you need for your how much do you need

647
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:33,269
for your ideas at the moment I'm trying

648
00:28:27,450 --> 00:28:35,309
to do something German yeah I mean I

649
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:38,190
mean I'm laughing as I said cuz like my

650
00:28:35,309 --> 00:28:40,470
friends have all made films it like you

651
00:28:38,190 --> 00:28:41,940
know 400 or 800 and I'm there going well

652
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:43,500
I've just I've got to try and keep enjoy

653
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:45,929
million but one is a psychological

654
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:48,180
horror set in the 1800s and the other is

655
00:28:45,929 --> 00:28:50,100
a sci-fi feature I mean it

656
00:28:48,180 --> 00:28:51,930
as a thriller as well and it's either

657
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:55,980
going to be at the cheapest in Scotland

658
00:28:51,930 --> 00:28:58,580
at an ideal in Norway yeah I mean we've

659
00:28:55,980 --> 00:29:00,630
got a central potential Finnish

660
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:02,550
co-producer could come aboard and help

661
00:29:00,630 --> 00:29:04,500
with that but the thing is I look at it

662
00:29:02,550 --> 00:29:05,850
and I go we'll even if I get the ideal

663
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:07,980
script written and it's signed off by

664
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:09,830
the summer I'm not going to get paid for

665
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:13,590
this project this year

666
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:14,940
if everything goes well it's not going

667
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:16,050
to it's not going to shoot this year so

668
00:29:14,940 --> 00:29:18,270
I won't be getting any principal

669
00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:21,380
photography for it so I do need to find

670
00:29:18,270 --> 00:29:24,210
a way to live while I'm still developing

671
00:29:21,380 --> 00:29:26,040
which is why I'm teaching and while

672
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:27,630
writing I'm writing for radio at the

673
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,930
moment as well now which is squidgy

674
00:29:27,630 --> 00:29:32,640
which is good so I'm Doctor Who for the

675
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:35,880
radio are you really

676
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,330
hey there you go that's it that's a win

677
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:42,180
like well lots of people would love that

678
00:29:39,330 --> 00:29:44,910
love that job yeah I mean I don't

679
00:29:42,180 --> 00:29:47,670
identify predominantly as a writer I

680
00:29:44,910 --> 00:29:49,140
think director and actor and then writer

681
00:29:47,670 --> 00:29:50,970
in that order but it's--but where did

682
00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:53,190
that come my way because if I can make

683
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:58,860
some money writing then I'll take it no

684
00:29:53,190 --> 00:30:03,720
course yeah now I'm a director yeah I

685
00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:06,000
think I think Aurora that that with

686
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,060
regards to you wanting to work in TV I

687
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,520
feel that I feel that you should be you

688
00:30:09,060 --> 00:30:13,590
should be at least setting yourself a

689
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,540
target to have one meeting with a

690
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:19,140
production company and one meeting with

691
00:30:15,540 --> 00:30:21,360
an agent per week just just this just to

692
00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:22,770
see what's out there and what people

693
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,960
think because everyone's going to be

694
00:30:22,770 --> 00:30:28,080
trying to sell you the dream but but

695
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,760
there has if my if my agent if I ever if

696
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,340
I have a director if I have an agent

697
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:35,160
that's might let's that good that covers

698
00:30:32,340 --> 00:30:37,080
directors yeah if there are no if there

699
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,720
are no directors on their books that I

700
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,760
want to basically replicate or replicate

701
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,400
the kind of work that they're doing even

702
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,560
just a prolific amount of treatments are

703
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120
getting sent or whatever it is I would

704
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,550
be looking to move immediately and I

705
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,240
would be trying to basically get as many

706
00:30:50,550 --> 00:30:55,170
meetings as I possibly could a week

707
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,580
open-handed meetings as well just

708
00:30:55,170 --> 00:30:58,440
basically saying look this is my

709
00:30:56,580 --> 00:31:00,930
situation this is the work that I've

710
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,140
produced I know I'm good enough and I

711
00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:04,240
and I just want I just

712
00:31:02,140 --> 00:31:06,520
know what you would what you would think

713
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,630
of someone like me coming onto your

714
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,210
books and what you would do to someone

715
00:31:07,630 --> 00:31:15,040
like me and I think that there's I think

716
00:31:10,210 --> 00:31:17,470
that there's I just I just believe that

717
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:20,620
that the opportunity is there if you

718
00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:23,560
just keep hammering at it and I think

719
00:31:20,620 --> 00:31:24,880
that there's there's there's a there's

720
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:27,730
that there's a lot to be told with

721
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:29,200
wisdom with with working with working in

722
00:31:27,730 --> 00:31:30,880
that sort of way because you suddenly

723
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,160
start developing your own luck and

724
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,990
things start happening and they always

725
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,910
start for some weird read you're always

726
00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:38,830
I don't know if you've ever experienced

727
00:31:36,910 --> 00:31:41,110
this I mean I know I definitely have and

728
00:31:38,830 --> 00:31:42,340
I know other creators I know Ben has but

729
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:43,390
when you're working on something and

730
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:44,650
then all of a sudden something just

731
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:47,290
comes out of nowhere and you're like

732
00:31:44,650 --> 00:31:48,670
whoa well you just get this you just get

733
00:31:47,290 --> 00:31:50,920
the feeling that had you not been doing

734
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:53,170
that other things and then that other

735
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,700
thing would never present itself it's a

736
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:57,010
really strange it's a really strange

737
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:58,570
thing but I do believe that if you're

738
00:31:57,010 --> 00:32:01,420
not getting treatment sent to you by

739
00:31:58,570 --> 00:32:03,640
your agent mm-hmm at least once a month

740
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:06,340
then you should be having meetings with

741
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:09,010
agents at least once a week to replace

742
00:32:06,340 --> 00:32:13,090
them you've got you've got to see this

743
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:14,680
as a as a business as as a as a you've

744
00:32:13,090 --> 00:32:15,910
got to see yourself as a projectile and

745
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,500
you've got to fill yourself with the

746
00:32:15,910 --> 00:32:20,290
fuel to just keep moving and you can't

747
00:32:17,500 --> 00:32:22,210
take you cannot take the situation that

748
00:32:20,290 --> 00:32:24,400
you're in right now and acceptable

749
00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:27,220
because it's not it's not accessible

750
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,550
you're a capable director you're

751
00:32:27,220 --> 00:32:31,810
incapable director you've got SFX

752
00:32:29,550 --> 00:32:34,030
experienced you you've won a pinch at

753
00:32:31,810 --> 00:32:36,160
Pinewood you will win pictures elsewhere

754
00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:39,610
and then you have to be you have to be

755
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,290
pitching all the time yeah just be less

756
00:32:39,610 --> 00:32:43,030
agreeable about it and just get on with

757
00:32:41,290 --> 00:32:46,180
making it happen because it's it's

758
00:32:43,030 --> 00:32:48,370
you've got so much talent and you really

759
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:50,650
should be you really should be somewhere

760
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:53,230
else doing the work that you want to be

761
00:32:50,650 --> 00:32:55,090
doing and taking though and not taking

762
00:32:53,230 --> 00:32:57,790
no for an answer that's how I feel about

763
00:32:55,090 --> 00:32:59,200
it anyway what and I feel that I had the

764
00:32:57,790 --> 00:33:01,390
same conversation with my mum yesterday

765
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,740
I feel like I'm living a parallel life I

766
00:33:01,390 --> 00:33:05,260
should be working by now

767
00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:07,900
just don't be shit yeah so you

768
00:33:05,260 --> 00:33:09,760
absolutely flipping shitty and and

769
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:11,470
there's no there's no reason why you

770
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,520
can't be going out there and having

771
00:33:11,470 --> 00:33:14,230
meetings each week with different

772
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,879
production companies seeing what happens

773
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:18,940
even if it's commercial

774
00:33:15,879 --> 00:33:21,209
work yeah Oh sigh looks so commercial

775
00:33:18,940 --> 00:33:24,639
you know you could you could turn pulsar

776
00:33:21,209 --> 00:33:27,339
into an advert a second literally every

777
00:33:24,639 --> 00:33:29,319
single scene looked looks so polished it

778
00:33:27,339 --> 00:33:31,419
was it was it was perfect for any sort

779
00:33:29,319 --> 00:33:33,009
of commercial work so there's no reason

780
00:33:31,419 --> 00:33:34,569
why you can't get your supper

781
00:33:33,009 --> 00:33:37,419
commercials agent get yourself an agent

782
00:33:34,569 --> 00:33:39,219
agent meeting suffer a writer's agent as

783
00:33:37,419 --> 00:33:41,919
well with but within that scope and

784
00:33:39,219 --> 00:33:45,549
stuff and just keep pushing it and yeah

785
00:33:41,919 --> 00:33:48,369
and set set you'll set your targets set

786
00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:51,059
your targets daily even set them by the

787
00:33:48,369 --> 00:33:54,069
hour and just just relentless like

788
00:33:51,059 --> 00:33:56,559
relentlessly innovating your your

789
00:33:54,069 --> 00:33:59,079
position within within the marketplace

790
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:00,909
just non-stop until you get to where you

791
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:04,229
want to get to and I guarantee within

792
00:34:00,909 --> 00:34:05,949
three months you'll be you'll be away

793
00:34:04,229 --> 00:34:23,079
that's what I feel about it

794
00:34:05,949 --> 00:34:24,759
thank you Steve Jobs I get I get the

795
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:26,710
impression that you bet you're a deed

796
00:34:24,759 --> 00:34:29,139
that you know all of this like you I

797
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:31,269
mean of course you do you live you live

798
00:34:29,139 --> 00:34:34,950
it and you breathe it but you're you're

799
00:34:31,269 --> 00:34:37,690
like so you're so talented that's the

800
00:34:34,950 --> 00:34:39,519
number one keep you are like it's not

801
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:45,849
even me being nice it's just the truth

802
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:47,980
of the situation I mean whenever

803
00:34:45,849 --> 00:34:50,619
whenever we hit like these creative

804
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:52,329
blocks and these walls is just it's just

805
00:34:50,619 --> 00:34:56,230
it's nice to be reminded of that because

806
00:34:52,329 --> 00:34:59,549
like that's like you have so much to to

807
00:34:56,230 --> 00:35:02,650
bring so whatever you want to do like

808
00:34:59,549 --> 00:35:05,589
100% exec I own that whole thing what

809
00:35:02,650 --> 00:35:12,940
James would say Mike just find find a

810
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:15,099
way to make it to make that work I like

811
00:35:12,940 --> 00:35:18,789
that I dare about meeting people weekly

812
00:35:15,099 --> 00:35:20,440
to my yeah I'll add that to my name is

813
00:35:18,789 --> 00:35:22,390
Shelley Walcott I'm getting film out

814
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,549
there yeah it's a good place even if

815
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:27,009
even even if it's just the producer for

816
00:35:24,549 --> 00:35:29,520
a coffee or like even if it's just like

817
00:35:27,009 --> 00:35:32,760
gonna go meet an

818
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,920
an agent's assistant just to sit just to

819
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:38,220
say hey how you doing yeah you know you

820
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:42,360
I mean it's the approach should always

821
00:35:38,220 --> 00:35:45,000
be you're a female director you're

822
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,440
fucking good and you want to meet people

823
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,170
because you believe that you've got

824
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,000
something to give and and you can show

825
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:53,610
them your work and then they can be like

826
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,350
I said they're not going to be will you

827
00:35:53,610 --> 00:36:00,720
show them polska they're going to be

828
00:35:55,350 --> 00:36:02,940
like yeah you say you say I won the

829
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,590
Pinewood pitch I got 30 grand to make

830
00:36:02,940 --> 00:36:06,780
this this is this is the concept that we

831
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:11,370
came up with I learned all of this about

832
00:36:06,780 --> 00:36:13,980
FS SSX I am ready to go I write I direct

833
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:16,440
I understand the actors process pyat I

834
00:36:13,980 --> 00:36:18,570
used to be an actor I am an actor like

835
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:21,480
all these different things all feed into

836
00:36:18,570 --> 00:36:24,270
each other yeah and also as well the

837
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:26,190
number one thing the number number one

838
00:36:24,270 --> 00:36:31,170
thing that you've got on most people

839
00:36:26,190 --> 00:36:32,670
you're nice you're likable it's a

840
00:36:31,170 --> 00:36:34,800
double-edged sword who already said that

841
00:36:32,670 --> 00:36:37,490
nice and agreeable maybe chair agreeable

842
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:39,990
what's not agreeable

843
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:41,760
what I say agreeable I mean I mean

844
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:45,600
you're kind of accepting you're you're

845
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:47,250
accepting one one particular station in

846
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,080
your life at the moment as being the

847
00:36:47,250 --> 00:36:51,030
norm and you should not be accepting

848
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,280
that whatsoever that because it's not

849
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:56,400
the norm for you if you if you were to

850
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,650
write down all of your attributes and to

851
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,750
take away Aurora firmly as a person that

852
00:36:58,650 --> 00:37:02,850
has those attributes and were to present

853
00:37:00,750 --> 00:37:05,340
that to yourself and say where should

854
00:37:02,850 --> 00:37:07,800
this person be you will say exactly

855
00:37:05,340 --> 00:37:09,420
where you feel you should be so you've

856
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,400
got to make sure that you fit that

857
00:37:09,420 --> 00:37:13,650
paradigm of what you've created for

858
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,450
yourself because or else or else you're

859
00:37:13,650 --> 00:37:17,070
just treading water and of course you

860
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:18,840
should be working on your own stuff you

861
00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:22,110
should be dead generating your own your

862
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,550
own work but absolutely crucial it's

863
00:37:22,110 --> 00:37:25,530
crucial to do it because that will

864
00:37:23,550 --> 00:37:27,390
enable you to build a brand and build

865
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:29,970
build an identity where people can

866
00:37:27,390 --> 00:37:31,950
identify you with but but when it comes

867
00:37:29,970 --> 00:37:34,290
to getting work and getting getting paid

868
00:37:31,950 --> 00:37:35,820
work to be a director you have to be

869
00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:39,900
stopping at nothing to make that happen

870
00:37:35,820 --> 00:37:41,370
because it takes it takes a hell of a

871
00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:42,990
lot of commitment to get over that

872
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:43,230
initial hill but once you're over it in

873
00:37:42,990 --> 00:37:44,640
your

874
00:37:43,230 --> 00:37:47,460
you're getting treatment sent to you

875
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:52,230
yeah you know you you would have

876
00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:53,490
forgotten all of this you know I hear

877
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:59,369
that it does feel like treading water

878
00:37:53,490 --> 00:38:02,730
you're right yeah yeah but also don't

879
00:37:59,369 --> 00:38:06,030
forget like the success that successes

880
00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:08,700
that you have already and the things

881
00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:11,339
that you've already achieved yeah and

882
00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:12,900
there's no point in like in dwelling on

883
00:38:11,339 --> 00:38:14,490
those things but there's also no point

884
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:17,460
in beating yourself up and saying it

885
00:38:14,490 --> 00:38:20,520
should be different I know okay can't it

886
00:38:17,460 --> 00:38:22,079
can be different but you are a you are

887
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,579
and like what you've done what you've

888
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,800
done and you've done a hell of a lot and

889
00:38:23,579 --> 00:38:30,630
you I mean you you write you writing

890
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:33,450
Doctor Who for the radio yeah you doing

891
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:37,050
you're doing things so don't don't

892
00:38:33,450 --> 00:38:40,320
forget that I agree yeah I don't lose

893
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:41,880
track of what I've done I think it's

894
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,339
just the idea of when I may pull so I

895
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,849
thought it would open doors a lot faster

896
00:38:44,339 --> 00:38:49,470
than it has and it has surprised me that

897
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:51,150
it just it's though the next there's a

898
00:38:49,470 --> 00:38:53,220
level of expectation with it that I've

899
00:38:51,150 --> 00:38:54,810
kind of let go of because it didn't go

900
00:38:53,220 --> 00:38:56,430
the way I wanted it to and it took me

901
00:38:54,810 --> 00:38:59,760
long longer get finished than I thought

902
00:38:56,430 --> 00:39:01,650
it would so I think that maybe letting

903
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,910
go of expectations been really useful

904
00:39:01,650 --> 00:39:07,980
because now I don't have an idea I'm not

905
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:09,390
sad that I'm not where I want to be or

906
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:13,200
thought that something would happen that

907
00:39:09,390 --> 00:39:14,460
hasn't it's kind of left me a little bit

908
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,990
thinking that have to think in a

909
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:17,819
different way about where I want to go

910
00:39:15,990 --> 00:39:19,170
next with it because I didn't if it's

911
00:39:17,819 --> 00:39:21,510
not what I thought it was going to do

912
00:39:19,170 --> 00:39:23,579
then what can it do and I care something

913
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:24,869
like that yeah

914
00:39:23,579 --> 00:39:27,119
what have I not been because if you're

915
00:39:24,869 --> 00:39:28,619
very focused on a certain path I think

916
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,170
you can lose track of all the

917
00:39:28,619 --> 00:39:33,839
opportunities are outside of that 100%

918
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:35,430
yeah I'm good percent so that's that's

919
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:37,380
kind of been my journey with this film

920
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:38,849
which is oh okay now let's let's see

921
00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:43,380
what it's what let's see what it's

922
00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:45,060
proposing but III I totally agree that

923
00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:46,829
it's you know taking a lot more meetings

924
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:52,310
I've been doing that but not as not as

925
00:39:46,829 --> 00:39:52,310
voraciously as once a week once a month

926
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:58,650
well they say a week a week in work is a

927
00:39:57,060 --> 00:40:00,330
is a long wait whether they say I think

928
00:39:58,650 --> 00:40:03,600
it's a week in football is a long week

929
00:40:00,330 --> 00:40:06,000
but yeah it's I mean you could you could

930
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,670
get just imagine if you had a meet in a

931
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,040
week for like four weeks just what what

932
00:40:08,670 --> 00:40:12,900
could potentially be there and the weird

933
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,720
thing is that meetings always become

934
00:40:12,900 --> 00:40:16,950
meetings become meetings become

935
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,600
introductions you get meet people

936
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:20,880
different things like that I think I

937
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:23,880
meant when I was when I was a budding

938
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,470
actor at drama school in my third year I

939
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,030
went and had a meeting with Rebecca Lane

940
00:40:25,470 --> 00:40:28,260
kovitch because she knew someone that

941
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:30,630
knew somebody that knew somebody in

942
00:40:28,260 --> 00:40:34,050
Plymouth where I'm from I had a meeting

943
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:35,850
with I had a meeting with an actor that

944
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:37,380
played that played a part in the Royal

945
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,060
Shakespeare Company and tried to take me

946
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:40,680
on a date and I was like sorry I'm not

947
00:40:39,060 --> 00:40:44,520
gay and he was like oh never mind

948
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:45,960
but I was like I like went out and met

949
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,610
all these people I met all the wrong

950
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,350
people I met writers that couldn't get

951
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:54,270
me a job and I met active man to have

952
00:40:49,350 --> 00:40:57,330
sex with me but there was like it but

953
00:40:54,270 --> 00:41:01,770
but for whatever reason during that time

954
00:40:57,330 --> 00:41:03,690
my pre jaded my pre jaded enthusiasm was

955
00:41:01,770 --> 00:41:06,030
just out meeting people all the time and

956
00:41:03,690 --> 00:41:06,540
it was it was really doing a world of

957
00:41:06,030 --> 00:41:09,900
good

958
00:41:06,540 --> 00:41:12,180
yeah but I then got an agent and then I

959
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:14,010
got a little bit lazy and I thought I

960
00:41:12,180 --> 00:41:15,480
had to I had to make ends meet so I was

961
00:41:14,010 --> 00:41:16,830
going out and getting work and I was

962
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,780
doing different things and I was like I

963
00:41:16,830 --> 00:41:20,400
quite like my downtime when I'm not

964
00:41:18,780 --> 00:41:21,780
auditioning and I'm not working I quite

965
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,700
like sitting on my bum doing absolutely

966
00:41:21,780 --> 00:41:27,210
nothing and I'm not suggesting that you

967
00:41:23,700 --> 00:41:30,270
do that at all but it's just that pre

968
00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:32,070
jaded enthusiasm is something that we

969
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:34,080
need to really really hold on to as

970
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:35,850
creatives and never let go because

971
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,410
that's what gets us out there meeting

972
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:39,270
people that's what takes us to can

973
00:41:37,410 --> 00:41:41,640
that's what taking against roots always

974
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:43,110
different places to open doors and push

975
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,320
buttons and make things happen for

976
00:41:43,110 --> 00:41:48,150
ourselves and and and again I reiterate

977
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,700
what I just said just now like when you

978
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:52,500
are doing stuff you get you get stuff

979
00:41:50,700 --> 00:41:58,100
from somewhere else yeah

980
00:41:52,500 --> 00:41:59,610
it's really weird yeah basically like my

981
00:41:58,100 --> 00:42:03,410
ten pence

982
00:41:59,610 --> 00:42:07,290
I hear that yeah 100%

983
00:42:03,410 --> 00:42:09,630
okay I agree and we're here for you like

984
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:10,880
if you ever want to know if you ever

985
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:14,990
want to trap

986
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:16,610
and then Mike we're here whether whether

987
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:20,120
we can help or whether whether we're

988
00:42:16,610 --> 00:42:22,970
just like an ear for just to throw ideas

989
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:26,540
out there like however however we can be

990
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:28,130
of assistance we're here yeah you guys

991
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:32,930
are great that's great that's really

992
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:35,480
kind no sweat um so so what so what's

993
00:42:32,930 --> 00:42:37,190
your next what's your next step

994
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,840
what do you do what are you gonna be

995
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:41,660
doing now

996
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,850
so I'm hiring of really hot editor to do

997
00:42:41,660 --> 00:42:46,460
a new show real which is the number one

998
00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:48,500
thing because I'm gonna publicize my

999
00:42:46,460 --> 00:42:50,510
stuff I really wanted to not be cut by

1000
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:51,200
me even though I'm an editor I just want

1001
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:54,650
someone else to do it

1002
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:57,560
yeah Herron I find it and that may 107

1003
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:59,150
and then get pulse I was going to go on

1004
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,490
Amazon and just send it out to everybody

1005
00:42:59,150 --> 00:43:02,990
with the show real and just say right

1006
00:43:01,490 --> 00:43:05,030
here we here I am I'm ready to meet

1007
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:07,010
that's this that's me up

1008
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:10,040
that's the directing side of things in

1009
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:11,690
terms of creation I've got a tipping

1010
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:14,540
point which is the sci-fi thriller which

1011
00:43:11,690 --> 00:43:16,310
is I've been paid to do the treatment

1012
00:43:14,540 --> 00:43:17,930
for it so that's about a year ago so

1013
00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:20,600
we're still going backwards and forwards

1014
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:23,480
on the treatment and I started a new

1015
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:25,460
project this January which is a kind of

1016
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,740
psychological horror which I'm just

1017
00:43:25,460 --> 00:43:30,080
gonna put forward to the BFI first and

1018
00:43:27,740 --> 00:43:31,700
development money and see which I want

1019
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,780
to work with on it when I've got those

1020
00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:44,960
treatments you like but that's my friend

1021
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:46,670
right amazing I need any dope yeah you

1022
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,490
definitely do just um

1023
00:43:46,670 --> 00:43:51,560
yeah I reckon stick to stick to that and

1024
00:43:49,490 --> 00:43:56,240
and get yourself as many meetings as

1025
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:58,340
possible and just just don't take no for

1026
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,740
an answer just keep relentlessly pushing

1027
00:43:58,340 --> 00:44:04,430
maybe have you got an iPad have you got

1028
00:44:00,740 --> 00:44:08,510
an iPad at all no I don't I need one or

1029
00:44:04,430 --> 00:44:10,670
like it well like a tablet because

1030
00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:13,310
you're so real need your show real needs

1031
00:44:10,670 --> 00:44:14,840
to be on that and yeah you need to be

1032
00:44:13,310 --> 00:44:16,640
able to just whip that out your pocket

1033
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,760
at any given opportunity and just say

1034
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,080
ping oh this is pulsar just because

1035
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,060
we're just chat just cuz we're chatting

1036
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:25,250
about it here it is without being like

1037
00:44:23,060 --> 00:44:26,450
without making it super duper

1038
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:27,980
so you're not like an M really

1039
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:29,839
SuperDuper formal setting you're like

1040
00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:32,480
here's my laptop and you like have to

1041
00:44:29,839 --> 00:44:34,640
move everyone glasses out the way you

1042
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,790
move it right here it all is you burn

1043
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:40,040
okay here's pulse are you okay I'm gonna

1044
00:44:37,790 --> 00:44:41,599
find it on my computer it's none of that

1045
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,550
crap you just literally pull out your

1046
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:45,109
hand I'll light your iPad your iPads

1047
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:47,510
ready to go with you with your show real

1048
00:44:45,109 --> 00:44:51,589
you just go bang there you go and then

1049
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:53,390
and then people are like woo okay I was

1050
00:44:51,589 --> 00:45:00,940
there already but now I'm really

1051
00:44:53,390 --> 00:45:00,940
impressed bit more sales okay yeah

1052
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:05,630
showing your value right like if

1053
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:07,730
somebody sees pulsar it's a hell of a

1054
00:45:05,630 --> 00:45:09,859
lot more it's a hell of a lot different

1055
00:45:07,730 --> 00:45:12,859
than you say oh by the way I've directed

1056
00:45:09,859 --> 00:45:14,960
I've directed a short sci-fi in in there

1057
00:45:12,859 --> 00:45:17,020
in a person's mind that might conjure up

1058
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,640
oh god alright here we go and

1059
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:22,400
yikes I wonder what that's like and then

1060
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:26,330
if you actually see then they're like

1061
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:28,130
hey right right right I guarantee I

1062
00:45:26,330 --> 00:45:30,140
guarantee or or without showing them

1063
00:45:28,130 --> 00:45:31,430
pulsar they'll be they'll be nice and

1064
00:45:30,140 --> 00:45:39,349
it's a bunch of people stood around in

1065
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:40,520
Kabul boxes yeah that's true whenever I

1066
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:42,290
was showing someone the trailer for it

1067
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:44,800
they always go oh right okay wait well

1068
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:49,220
that looks that looks good yeah exactly

1069
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:50,810
response he won't even though even

1070
00:45:49,220 --> 00:45:52,880
though it can be a little bit insulting

1071
00:45:50,810 --> 00:45:54,320
sometimes it's kind of like what happens

1072
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,060
when like members of my family come to

1073
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,920
the season awards and they go oh I

1074
00:45:56,060 --> 00:46:07,490
didn't know your company was doing this

1075
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:09,920
well whoa hang on a minute I told you 10

1076
00:46:07,490 --> 00:46:10,970
10 years of our life and effort in the

1077
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,050
family okay

1078
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:16,940
you still need that thing to your best

1079
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:19,070
mates bring you up 10 minutes beforehand

1080
00:46:16,940 --> 00:46:20,390
and say um it's sold out I didn't

1081
00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:27,589
realize it was going to sell out and

1082
00:46:20,390 --> 00:46:32,510
you're like oh I told you this that's me

1083
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:34,130
being negative no it is hard for them to

1084
00:46:32,510 --> 00:46:35,660
quantify unless they see you win an

1085
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:37,790
award and then they go alright that's

1086
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:38,119
that success because people in outside

1087
00:46:37,790 --> 00:46:41,299
about

1088
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:45,349
and the different values of success you

1089
00:46:41,299 --> 00:46:48,170
know staying in it and enjoying it as it

1090
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:54,589
is a big part of it being successful yes

1091
00:46:48,170 --> 00:46:57,589
it is yeah and you got amazing yeah

1092
00:46:54,589 --> 00:46:59,200
thank you very much for pep talk I think

1093
00:46:57,589 --> 00:47:01,519
that's really useful thank you

1094
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:05,079
let's have another one in like if you've

1095
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:09,890
been a couple of months yeah definitely

1096
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:16,490
yeah and the shadows shadowy figure

1097
00:47:09,890 --> 00:47:19,130
there that's giving me I'm like the

1098
00:47:16,490 --> 00:47:33,529
smoker guy from it from x-files remember

1099
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:36,640
that dude yeah alright thank you no

1100
00:47:33,529 --> 00:47:36,640
speak to later

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